Difference between revisions of "User:Voxel"

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I'm sorry I can not go any further, minetest eats my life and it makes me unhappy.

Many of the things below are already done by me, fell free to finish them visitor!

I'm gone from minetest and will never come back again.

Bye!

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+:I'm sorry I can not go any further, minetest eats my life and it makes me unhappy.
-Ambitious guy who just started to clean up this place a bit, to let it rise again. ;)
+:Many of the things below are already done by me, fell free to finish them visitor!
+:I'm gone from minetest and will never come back again.
-__FORCETOC__
+:Bye!
-== Description of my cleanup ==
-<b>Updates for this text</b>: [[#Categories_for_Mod_and_Game_specific_content]]
-:Short: I will make this wiki that is based on wikimedia, wikimedia conform.
-:I contribute to different wikimedia projects, like wikipedia since many years, so I am pretty familiar with it.
-:This wiki should match the <b>Best Practice</b> principles of the Wikipedia. In every wiki made with the media wiki software, it should always be the same way how to do things.
-:All the following explained changes I will make, are not fully done yet and it will take some time to get them done.
-:Oh and do not be afraid, I wont delete any content, except the outaded content (for example I deleted a sentence in one article that recommends downloading mods from Minetest Bower), also spam, adds, etc. if there is any.
-=== Restructuring pages ===
-:I've found many pages that do not fit to the wiki standards (look at the page source of a wikipedia page to compare).
-:An example of a restructured article be me (nearly no new or modified content): [https://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mods&action=historysubmit&diff=25628&oldid=24478 Article:Mods]
-=== The subpage of a subpage of a... ===
-:I decided to merge the subpages of articles into their main article, cause the most of these subpages containing nearly no content and it is just a waste of ressources on both sides, server and client.
-:Also it is a mess to find all these pages without using the links in the main article linking to them (and I already saw examples where not all subpages of an article were linked in the main article...) or the page information link and after that the sublink for subpages (most wikimedia software users do not even know that these exist...).
-:I will make some exceptions for large tutorials like robots and stuff like that, cause else the main article would be bloated.
-:I will set links to these these subpages in the main articles.
-::An example how that looks like for the page Simple Mobs:
-::The old one was a subpage of the page [[Mods]], with even more subpages for every (!) single mob in that mod: [https://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mods/Simple_Mobs&oldid=18490 Mods/Simple Mobs(Old)]
-::Now it is stil a subpage of the page Mods, but I merged all the subpages for every single mob into the main article [https://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mods/Simple_Mobs&direction=next&oldid=24949 Mods/Simple Mobs(New)]
-::By the way it is not my fault, that this article isn't complete and up to date.
-=== Inconsistent, redundant and unclear categories ===
-:Further I noticed, that the categories are inconsistent and some of them are redundant (same topic different categories).
-:I decide to bring logic into these, like it is done in the wikipedia (correct and logical tree structures) and I will create some new categories and put a delete template in some others, after I moved their subcategories.
-:Also the sorting of categories below an article should be from specific to general.
-:So for that example page Simple mobs it must be like that:
-::<nowiki>[[Category:Mobs mods]]</nowiki><br><nowiki>[[Category:Mods]]</nowiki><br><nowiki>[[Category:Languages pages]]</nowiki>
-==== Categories bounded to templates ====
-:In the context of this, it is important, that the template <nowiki>{{Languages}} mostly find at the top of an article, needs to be replaced with or edited to {{Languages|nocat=1}}</nowiki>, cause the first one contains the category <nowiki>[[Category:Languages_pages]]</nowiki>, (see here for details: [https://wiki.minetest.net/Template:Languages Template:Languages]) wich is then the first listed category in the order of categories at the bottom.
-:Also import is to add the <nowiki>[[Category:Languages_pages]]</nowiki> manually.
-:Categories should never be bound to templates anyway, except for important ones like delete, or need maintanence or similiar things.
-=== Translations ===
-==== Pages / Articles ====
-:Further the translation pages are subpages, maybe we can not do it like it is at wikipedia (a real language menu), I don't know.
-:If not, then we should move all language specific subpages to their own main pages, the actual state isn't wiki conform and annoying.
-:For example, I can have the page "Examplepage" in German then it will be called "Examplepage/de", that's the pagetitle then, but that title is not german, it should have the name "Beispielseite".
-:Also people started such subpages with the translated title like that:
-:<b><nowiki>= '''Beispielseite''' =</nowiki></b>
-:that's ugly and against the wiki syntax rules.
-:For that we need to have a new type of that language template if possible.
-:It is already possible to link a page inside that template, individual for each site you put that template:
-:<b><nowiki>{{Languages|Pagelink|nocat=1}}</nowiki></b>
-:but we need to have multiple links there, for all available languages.
-:I don't know if that is possible, but it would solve that pagetitle issue.
-==== Understandable Categories ====
-:But there's another issue related to the categories again: people who can not read english, do not understand the categorie links at the bottom of the articles.
-:Best would be, that we have an english article about education purpose for example, with the "Category:Education" and the same article as subpage in french for example, with the "Catégorie:Éducation" template in it. But that doesn't work, the french word <i>Catégory</i> isn't registered the same way as it is in english, it will always create a page and not a new category, same for any other languages of course.
-:So we need a workarround.
-:For now I just let the language specific category in the translated pages (or put them there if not existent, cause many articles miss them) and I create a new structure for the language specific categories, for <b>every</b> language that is present in this wiki, with at least one page.
-:But before I give an example how this will look like, I need to say, that the [https://wiki.minetest.net/Category:Minetest_(Root_Category) root category] needs a new name and I recommend <nowiki>[[Category:Minetest_Wiki]]</nowiki>.
-:Why this name? Because it is multilingual, when you visit a webpage called minetest.net you probably know what the word <i>minetest</i> means and it is called all the same in every language and even understandable if not written in the letters of other languages. That counts even more for the word <i>Wiki</i>
-:I already created that category: [https://wiki.minetest.net/Category:Minetest_Wiki Category:Minetest_Wiki], that contains nothing at the moment, because all categories needs to moved from the actual root category to the new one.
-:As everyone can see it contains that "switch language" banner at the top and that's because, every language will have it's own root category and own subcategories.
-:At the moment just the german root category exists [https://wiki.minetest.net/Category:Minetest_Wiki/de Category:Minetest_Wiki/de] and some subcategories there.
-:<b>Issue:</b> no matter what I tried, I can not linking back from the german root category to the english one *sigh* (this wiki drives me mad...).
-==== Restructuring base work ====
-:However, here's an example for the structure of the translated pages:
-::[https://wiki.minetest.net/Category:Translated_Pages Category:Translated_Pages] contains subcategories for all available languages named in their specific language (at the moment only for german, spanish, russian and japanese, to just show different kinds of letters and yes I know russian and japanese are not correct sorted in at that page, but that's something that can not be fixed and also yes I know, at the moment these are redundant because the old ones in english language are still there, but I need to move all their categories first before deleting them).
-::After I put all the non-english pages in their correct subcategory (would be nice if the admin could do that with the "wikimedia magic something tool", cause I know that moving multiple subsites to other mainsites is possible), I will start to apply the new category structure for them. Ok in real I already do that synchron, cause I need an overview over the whole thing here.
-=== Let the "rest" of the community participate ===
-:I would welcome anyone who like to help me with these things, cause it is a lot of work!
-:When most of the basic work is done, I will post in the different language subforums of forum.minetest.net and ask people to help with that stuff (I can not speak and read all these languages for example).
-:Also I will create a main topic, to tell the the wiki was cleaned up and that people should consider to partizipate and contribute in it.
-=== Categories for Mod and Game specific content ===
-:Man it is really a mess...
-:There's so much game specific content in here and that stuff has its own pages and even it's own categories for its components!
-:Theres a games category that's fine. That category should list pages about games (minetest_game for example) but it shouldnt contain subcategories for these games, games shouldn't have their own categories ata ll, that's a huge amont of categories to mess with!
-:Sure minetest_game will probably be maintained in the future, but the most games not.
-:Wiki categories exist to help maintain a wiki and give a well structured register for overview of the wiki content.
-:A category wood isn't needed at all, it must contain <b>all</b> minetest content that is related to wood in some way, all content from all mods and games...
-:That's insanity!
-:Therefor it is another task, to move the content of these categories to pages or merge them into existing pages, but in my opinion it would be better to remove not just categories like Category:Wood, we should also remove pages like [[Wood]], because there is minetest_game related information on that site, that should only available in the page [[Games/Minetest_Game]], or we would have to add every possible use and recipes and so on from every mod or game that uses wood into that page...
-:every game <b>one</b> page (and maybe subpages) and that's it.
-=== Further Ideas ===
-:We could "hire" modtesters, and let them editing the mod articles for example, or people who take photos of texture packs or scenes from games.
-=== Notes ===
-:This text will probably gets updates, if this happens, I will mention this at the top, so people can check the History tab.
-== Where you can also find me ==
-<b>You can find me in the following places: </b> <br>
-[https://content.minetest.net/users/voxel/ Minetest ContentDB] <br>
-[https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29351 Minetest Forum] <br>
-[https://notabug.org/voxel notabug.org] <br>
-[https://gitlab.com/voxel-minetest gitlab] (I use this only to report issues)<br>
-[https://github.com/voxel-minetest github] (I use this only to report issues)
-[[Category:English speaking users]]
-[[Category:Deutschprachige Nutzer]]

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